Talk:Lancia Rally 037

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Group B was not a silhouette racer formula. The cars had to be based on a production vehicle, from which major parts of the car's body had to be taken. This -at least to my eyes- ist not what you would call a silhouette racer. All Group B cars used (had to use) the cental section of a then current production car's body. This included the windscreen, A-post, roof section from upper windscreen back to B-post, the B-post and the doors. The standard base version had to be produced in 200 examples and had to use these parts in form and material as per the series vehicle form which they were taken. On evolution vehicles the material of the parts could be changed, e.g. GRP or Kevlar doors instad of steel or aluminium ones. This is why the Abarth SE037 used the central section from the Lancia Montecarlo, the Peugeot 205T16 used the same section from the bog standard thee door bodyshell. Only Ford found a loophole in the regulations for their RS200, where the lower section of the A- and B-posts was shortened, making the car lower and the doors' lower section was cut accordingly. But even there the RS200 used the windscreen from the Sierra road vehicle and had the front roof section and the doors from that family saloon. All not very silhouette...

Not a "Silhouette" car.

It would only be a silhouette car if it was called a "Montecarlo", but in fact only looked like one. The 037 is the car it is, it is built the way it is. They don't claim that it's a Montecarlo. All 037s are built the same way, both rally and street versions, all 200 of them. Just because they happened to copy the styling of the existing Montecarlo doesn't make it a silhouette car. A NASCAR "Chevy Camaro" is a silhouette car, because they call it a "Camaro" even though it only looks like one, while being structurally totally different, generally implying a lookalike body placed on a tubular frame. An 037 is an 037, it is built the way it is built, it is therefore not a silhouette car, in spite of being constructed in a similar fashion to many silhouette cars.

64.223.218.84 (talk) 09:36, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Issues with the detailed specs

The list of detailed specs looks like it was written by someone who had imperfect English skills, or something. The main problem points:

 "Transmission: ZF The type claw, 5-speed plus reverse"

"The type claw"? Is this a bad translation or is this some term for a shift pattern I've never heard of?

 "Differential: Self-Locking with two shafts fitted with CV joints"

AKA a Limited slip differential? And two shafts fitted with CV joints out of how many? Since there is little reason to believe there would be more than 2, why list them? If you must include the CVs, those are not part of the differential. That is the unit in the center, which has two half-shafts bolted to it. It is the half-shafts that have CV joints, not the differential. This is speaking as if the entire rear axle assembly was encompassed in the term "Differential". It is not.

 "Steering: Rack and pinion, lubricated and shock"

Shock mounted? Shock protected? Shock absorbed? I presume this means it absorbs shocks before they are transmitted into the steering wheel to protect the driver (like a rag joint but even more so), but the full term is missing in both entries.

 "Cooling: Forced with pump and radiator front"

If you are going to be so detailed that you need to include the front mounted radiator, then start by specifying that it is liquid cooled, not air cooled. "Radiator front" presumably means that it has a front-mounted radiator, as opposed to mounted elsewhere on the chassis(?), but that is not a clear way of saying it. There are similar problems with the Stradale entries.

64.222.86.48 (talk) 04:54, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Infobox for the 037 Stradale

A while back I added an infobox to the 037 Stradale section akin to how pages like Porsche 911 GT1 or Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR are structured, but it was later removed. I'm wondering why it was removed, and what the convention is for articles about race or rally cars which also have a section for the respective homologation road car model. TKOIII (talk) 02:37, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

@TKOIII: It was deleted by long-since blocked U1Quattro. I think the infobox is useful, since the Stradale is quite different from the racing versions, so I restored it.  Mr.choppers | ✎  03:29, 10 March 2024 (UTC)